Mailbag: DL&C Photo Identification

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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Todd sent me an e-mail with the following question:

I am attempting to determine more about the photo attached. I received it from a relative of mine believing it to be of Brookville, IN, as I am a resident of Franklin County, IN. Upon presentation to the Franklin County Indiana Historical Society, I was informed the picture was not of Brookville, IN. As the sign on the front of the depot does say D.L. & C. R.R., I determined it may be of the old Dayton, Lebanon, and Cincinnati railroad but not sure as to what town or location it may be of.

Please advise if you could tell me more about the photo. The actual size is 10” x 14”. I had to split it in two for your review as I did not have a way to reduce it.

I went ahead and posted the photo in question above. I did a quick and dirty stitch job to get an idea of what the original looked like. The photo is of Brown Street Station on the . It was near the University of Dayton and NCR. The depot would have been located in this area

The same photo can be found here on a website with an extensive database of Ohio’s depots both past and present.

I’m not sure why it would say Brookville. I also don’t know the year, but most surviving photos of the DL&C have been taken around 1912 so that would be my guess. (Side note: My copy of Narrow Gauge in Ohio is not currently with me. I think this photo might be in there as well but I don’t remember if it lists a date.) If anybody else can shine some more information on this photo, feel free to post a comment or contact me.

I like to post these kinds of questions on the off chance someone else might come along with a similar inquiry. If you have a question about an Ohio railroad don’t hesitate to send me an e-mail

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Delco Park

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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As many of the regular readers of this site are aware, few segments of the mainline from Lebanon north into Dayton are left. However, the ghosts of the line can still be seen if you know where to look. One of the great areas to see some old roadbed is Delco Park in Kettering.

Located near the Delphi automotive parts plant, this was part of the original TD&B Dayton main that ran to Lebanon junction. In 1912 the DL&C built their line into Dayton proper, but ironically the longer route survived longer.

William Bryan was kind enough to provide some photos of this area. I had been meaning to get down there for a while now and would like to thank him for making my job a little easier. The photo at the top of this post shows a bridge that was left in place when the rest of the rail was removed. You can see another view of the bridge to the right.

He also took a shot of the roadbed remnants going north into the plant. The future of this remaining segment of the line, now owned by Norfolk Southern, is in serious trouble. For a while the closure of the plant had been rumored, although a buyer may yet try and save it. I do not know the current status of any of these negotiations.

The last photo he sent in is perhaps one of the most interesting featuring the date plate on the bridge itself. A date of 1907 is listed. This happens to be the same year the DL&C was reorganized as the Dayton, Lebanon, and Cincinnati Railroad and Terminal Company and may have been one of the first new infrastructure investments of the new company.

DL&C in 1912

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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Photo Credit: Dayton Daily News

I few weeks ago I was made aware of this slideshow published by the Dayton Daily News. It features the complete souvenir book published by the . The and made part of the .

The promotional booklet was found by Joni Knopp in a box bought at auction. Some of the photos I had seen before, especially in reproduction postcards, but some of the photos are new to me and might have never been published before.

The booklet, officially titled “The Dayton, Lebanon and Cincinnati Railroad and Terminal Company and Tributary Industries”, features photos of most of the major industries along the line. Highlights include the limestone quarries in Centerville, a couple coaling spurs, and Lebanon’s brand new Shoe Factory.

This would be a great resource for someone wanting to model this line. The booklet even includes an interior shot of the Oregonia Bridge Company’s plant as well as the only known shot of the Kilpatrick-French Motorcar Company in Lebanon. It helps put a face on previously blank structures known only from old maps.

If you’re the least bit interested in local railroad history I encourage you to check this booklet out. It’s well worth your time to click through the 50 or so photos.

Exploring Another Old ROW

Author: Kyle Montgomery
Category: Then and Now Railroads: ,

A while back I was told that there was some interesting remains along the old Right-of-Way near my house. This was part of the original Lebanon to Dodds section that was torn up in 1952. I finally had some time to follow this up the other day and made some fascinating discoveries back in the woods. It was a short walk to the other side of my neighborhood where the tracks used to run. On the way, I couldn’t help but notice the old grade crossing sign in the front yard of my neighbor (pictured above). This had been there for years and I had wondered for a long time if it had been found along the original rail line.

Eventually I made it back to the tree line. I stumbled through the brush for what seemed like ages looking for any sign of the old route. This wasn’t easy as overgrown as everything was. But soon I spied the familiar sight of cinder ballast on the ground. Thank goodness for me it takes a long while for cinders to disappear. Once I found this I could make out the rest of the ROW. There were not a lot of large trees that have grown up in the intervening time and I could make out most of the path. The DL&C was never exactly over-engineered and the drainage ditches and such you would see on a class one just don’t exist on this light route.

Before long there were more clues that gave the land’s history away. Abandoned ties littered the area, some still in neat rows along the former roadbed. Old rusty barbed wire marked the boundaries of the old farm fields the line pasted through. This segment of the line was originally laid as part of the original Cincinnati Northern (TD&B) line through Dodds. It was graded in the 1870′s and was completed with rail around 1881. Later on it was bought and made standard gauge by the DL&C, eventually being purchased into the system.

I had found the roadbed, but had not completed my goal. I pressed on, looking for the spot where the roadbed crossed a small creek I knew to be in the area. I followed the roadbed south until I finally saw the ground dropping away. The roadbed was on a fill nearly 8 or 10 feet high. Dropping down into the creek, I could see the broken masonry of a bridge abutment. I had found what I was looking for.

I could only imagine the age of this stone. It could easily be 100 years old. Rushing water had knocked much of it down into the bed, but parts still held together without mortar. The creek bed itself had some old pipes laid into it. I’m guessing that was added in later years to help manage the flow of water.

It wouldn’t be the last of my discoveries. Above is pictured one of two former telegraph poles I found along the abandoned ROW. The two bolts show where the cross-beams would have been secured, the iron strap hanging loosely on the side is one of two that would have been fastened as braces to help secure each crossbar. In addition to these I was able to find only 1 spike. I imagine the other spikes were either taken up with the rail or since buried, but I’m guessing it could be over anywhere from 60 to 90 years old.

One thing I found was quite odd. A piece of rail that was not scrapped, but instead was buried vertically in the ground next to a tree. It would not budge and I have no way of guessing how long the buried piece actually is. If anyone has any idea what it could be for let me know.

Near the end of my journey I confirmed my suspicions about the old grade crossing sign, finding this post laying a long the ground. Nearby was an old farm path used for getting from fields on one side of the track to the other. I figure this was the rural path the sign was protecting.

I had followed the ROW to the point where the forest made it impassible and decided to cash out on my success when I could. It was fascinating to explore a roadbed so close to my home. I could almost hear the steam locomotives as they passed a lonely farmhouse 57 years ago; chugging slowly by along the highlands of Warren County.


I’ll be on vacation this weekend so don’t expect any new posts. Also, if you email me I won’t be getting back to you until Tuesday at the earliest.

DL&C Trackcharts

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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I know a lot of readers are sick of these track chart posts, but I promised to post the ex-

charts from the Conrail era. This will be the last post of its type for a while. I’ll try to do something different for my next couple posts.

At any rate, the first chart I’ll be posting tonight was referred to by Conrail as the “Clement Running Track”. This was the original narrow gauge alignment as built by the TD&B. It runs east from the wye at Hempstead and connects to the mainline to Xenia.

This chart shows the DL&C’s mainline built into Dayton proper. The major customer on this light was the National Cash Register Co, or NCR for short. NCR and the DL&C worked together to provide relief supplies during the great Dayton flood in 1913. By this point the track through the plant was out of service, and today neither the track nor much of the NCR plant remains.

This chart completes the remnants of the DL&C. The line south of Hempstead was operated as another light density line, but was the cost proved to great over the long term and the line did not survive.

These charts provide a wealth of information for anyone doing serious research on the former system. For the casual reader, however, they might appear a bit on the boring side. If you made it this far in the article your reading is appreciated. For something a little more interesting, try this article on Operation Lifesaver in Northern Ohio.

The DL&C Along Nutt Road

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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In our new series “Mail by Rail” I’ll be answering e-mail questions that have recently been sent to me. If you have a question about railroad history or model railroads e-mail me and you might see your question on the main blog.

Julian from Florida writes:

First off, thank you for such a great website! I for some reason tonight remembered about a railroad (abandoned) that ran through Washington Township close to the house I was grew up in.

From what I remember (1998-2000ish), there were still a few rails intact (I think). I pulled a Google maps image to show the area, and put a red box around the exact area. Next to that red box was a horse farm (other side of the trees on that map).

I would love to know more information about which railroad this was, and also would love to know what the state of that section is today. Unfortunately I no longer know anyone that lives in that area, and I now live in Florida.

As long-time readers might recognize, the area circled is the ex- line. This link shows the area with the railroad lines superimposed on it.

Today there is nothing there but the abandoned Right-of-Way. The DL&C was never very well constructed (the track was barely raised from the surrounding ground) and the roadbed isn’t very obvious if you don’t know it is already there. The only active ex-DL&C track today is a Norfolk Southern owned line that runs south to the Delphi Plant. However, that plant has seen tough times lately so even this small segment may not last much longer. The track there is a remnant of the original alignment that ran to Lebanon Junction, before the track was built into downtown Dayton.

Service on this segment didn’t survive the formation of Conrail in 1976. It was provided for a time to Centerville as a light density line but no farther south. The rail between Lytle and Centerville was torn up in 1979, but it is possible rails survived longer in the pavement at grade crossings.

While I have driven down Nutt Road to take a look, I haven’t actually explored the segment you circled in person. However, I did take some photos of the line nearby in Big Bend Park.

Hopefully this answers Julian’s question. If you have a question you want to see answered in Mail By Rail don’t hesitate to send me an e-mail.

Exploring the CL&N System

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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Today I’m proud to announce a new feature for this site. Over to the left under Introduction to the CL&N there’s a new link sharing the title of this post. This links to the Microsoft Live Map pictured above.

On this map I have used the ‘Route’ tool to draw the lines of the CL&N on top of the map. It includes the road of the CL&N, DL&C, M&C, and the various branch lines that were built and later abandoned. All this fits in with the modern roads and fields of today, making it easy to find and explore old areas of the line.

In the future I’ll be adding some more points of interests complete with photos from the past. The route will also continued to be refined. Right now it is based off a great deal of research and is accurate to the best of my ability, but I cannot guarantee every piece of track is located in the right place. In the last 50+ years a lot of development has happened around and sometimes over the tracks, so things can be a bit difficult to place.

The map isn’t based on any specific time. It features all the components of the ’s CL&N system but also includes tracks abandoned before then. I have tried to write notes on when additions and abandonments were made. I encourage anyone interested to spend some time with this tool. It’s truly fascinating to see the development and change of the old CL&N system.

Scenes Along the DL&C: Part 6

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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With great sadness I begin our last post in the series Along the DL&C. In these posts I have so far shared five special reproduction postcards I acquired. Each postcard features a photo on the front, showcasing a “Scene Along the DL&C”. Tonight I’ll finish with my last postcard, the Aungst Brothers Elevator.

It wasn’t planned this way, but by ending with this postcard we come full circle. In the first part of this series, I discussed the Aungst Brothers Mill. This elevator is the other half of the complex. During the 1920′s both the mill and the elevator would eventually become the Lebanon Farmer’s Cooperative.

This elevator was of wooden construction, in contrast to the all aluminum construction of the Brant’s Hardware elevator. The latter wasn’t built until the 1930′s. It was served by the same spur that served the mill, and in this photo you can see a number of boxcars sitting on the track, possibly full of grain to be shipped out. Grain was not shipped in covered hoppers until after World War II.

Today Miller’s Antiques stands on the spot of this old elevator. The postcard photo is taken looking across Broadway. The elevator burned down at a date I am still unsure of. As seen in this photo from Lebanon: Celebrating 200 Years the building went through a number of changes before becoming the antique mall of today.

I’m also unsure on when the spur was abandoned and pulled up. The photo above shows how there is still room, save for some landscaping, for a spur between the main and the antique building, so it is likely that the spur was still there when that building was constructed. The actual switch for this spur was located in Broadway. This posed little problems when the track was laid, but I imagined it created a maintenance headache when the road was paved over.

One last detail one might notice is the track running the length of Broadway in the foreground. This was the track for the
IR&T (Interurban Railway & Terminal) interurban railway that ran from Cincinnati to Lebanon on a route mostly parallel to the CL&N. It became a primary competitor to the CL&N, but proved not to be financially viable. The route to Lebanon was abandoned in 1923.

The IR&T’s track came from South Lebanon and entered Lebanon from the south, across the Broadway bridge. It then crossed the CL&N on a diamond. Of interesting note, the tracks were not exactly standard gauge. Instead, the interurban used the 5 foot gauge of the Cincinnati Street Railway, which allowed them to use Cincinnati’s street-running tracks. Today the track is still embedded in parts of Mulberry and Mechanic Street’s in Lebanon. If measured, one can still see the unique gauge today.

The Aungst Brother Mill was an important business for rural Lebanon. These postcards provide an idea of what the long-vanished building looked like, and as the only photograph I have found could prove crucial to modelers. I hope you enjoyed my Along the DLC Series. Next weekend I’m going to return to another series and publish my long delayed look at Lebanon: Then and Now. In the future if I ever acquire some more photos I hope to be able to revisit life Along the DL&C

For further reading about life around the Lebanon Cooperative, be sure to check out my article on The Lebanon Yard: Then and Now.

Scenes Along the DL&C: Part 5

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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Last week in Scenes Along the DL&C we witnessed a special excursion train just outside of Centerville. This week, we’re going to be taking a look at Dodd’s Canning.

The town of Dodds is a small burg located on old 122 just north of Utica Road. Originally there was a small town located at the corner of Utica Road and 122 named Utica. It had a school and a post office.
When the railroad came through Dodds it would eventually outgrow the older burg, earn its own post office, and have a number of houses along the street.

Dodds, 6 miles past Lebanon, was originally the terminus of the CL&N line and its connection with the TD&B narrow gauge line to Dayton. It probably included a side track and some form of engine turning facility. After the breakup of the TD&B and the abandonment of the narrow gauge line from Dodds to Dayton, service along the line from Lebanon to Dodds was suspended by the CL&N in 1887. It was unprofitable to operate for the short amount of traffic north of Lebanon.

The track lay north of Dodds lay rusting until Harry Lewis bought the route in 1889 and created the Dayton, Lebanon, and Cincinnati. The DL&C brought a number of changes to Dodds and the route along it. The road was rebuilt and soon made standard gauge. In addition, the track from Dodds to Lebanon was leased to the DL&C for 99 years. This allowed Lebanon to be the terminal of both roads, and meant the DL&C would be Dodds’ railroad for the next 63 years. It would be abandoned as part of the Lebanon-Lytle abandonment in 1952.

Dodds would also grow to include the Dodds canning operation. Dodds canning was one of a number of canneries located along the more rural parts of the CL&N line. There were also canneries located in Mason, Hageman, and Lebanon. These provided a sizable amount of traffic during the harvest season, where every spare boxcar around would be put in canning service.

The photo above is taken from old 122 looking South. Here’s a shot of the area today. The DL&C mainline is highlighted in blue.

The main building of the canning complex appears to still be standing today, though heavily remodeled. The similarities between the building in the picture and the one in the satellite photo are unmistakable.

The photo also shows at least 1 private spur track that was located closest to the canning building. This is another photo that was taken around 1912. Notice that the primary method of transportation is horse cart!

At this point I only have one real question about this article. If it is taken at the angle I think it is, then the cross-buck would actually be on the left-side of the road. I don’t know if that would be common around the turn of the century or not. My one guess is that it is located there to be by the telegraph pole, but I don’t know for sure.

Dodds is an interesting example of the many small farming communities located on lines that made up the CL&N system. Unfortunately, these kind of villages and these industries never provided enough revenue to make operating these lines profitable.

Scenes Along the DL&C: Part 4

Author: Kyle Montgomery
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This post is a little late this week, but here we’re going to take a look at one of my remaining DL&C post cards. This is a photograph of one of the DL&C passenger specials somewhere along the line north of Lebanon. A know very little about the circumstances of this one other than simple observations that can be made.

For starters, this train is a longer train then would normally be seen along the line. The normal passenger train from Lebanon to Dayton rarely would stretch beyond two or three coaches behind the locomotive. This combined with the white flags on the engine lead me to believe this was some sort of special. The track itself looks to be standard gauge, and this puts the date of the photograph after 1890 , probably around 1912 which is when most of these photographs were taken. The DL&C was merged into the Pennsylvania system in 1915.

The train is pulling out of what appears to be either a passing siding or industry spur. In the background appears to be some sort of barn or industry and those dark shapes could be freight cars sitting on a spur.

In the foreground sits some spare ties and rails.

Next week, in our next to last installment of Along the DL&C, we’ll take a look at Dodds canning, and take an opportunity to discuss some of the history of Dodds, Ohio.

Edit: After checking another source, I’ve confirmed the photo was taken of an excursion train in 1912. It is said to be near Centerville.

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